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dzljon
03-03-2015, 05:06 PM
Here is a z axis floating head I am going to use on my torchmate

Gadget
03-03-2015, 05:43 PM
That should run nice and smooth.

Gamble
03-03-2015, 06:11 PM
What's the advantage to a floating head vs height control? And how will you interface the floating head to the torchmate control box?

dzljon
03-03-2015, 07:53 PM
They are one and the same, the floating head is what supports the motor and and gives an axis for the torch to move on

Gamble
03-03-2015, 11:30 PM
I always thought a floating head was to set your initial cut height before the torch fires. Is this going to be the new accumove system?

dzljon
03-04-2015, 04:45 AM
Nope, I am going with differentry controls that are better and proven, when lincoln bought torchmate they had to develope a controls company because the company that suplied the controls already was not for sale. The accumove2 is a unproven system and torchmate don't have very good support for it so I got better professional grade controls for 300 more than the accumove2

blueriver
03-04-2015, 06:39 AM
They are one and the same, the floating head is what supports the motor and and gives an axis for the torch to move on

So your saying that the new z axis is both THC and floating head?

dzljon
03-04-2015, 06:58 AM
Thc is the ability that the plasma source can communicate with the cutting soft ware to maintain specified clearance, that floating head is a component to provide a support for the motor and an axis for the torch to travel on

blueriver
03-04-2015, 07:16 AM
Thc is the ability that the plasma source can communicate with the cutting soft ware to maintain specified clearance, that floating head is a component to provide a support for the motor and an axis for the torch to travel on

Well yes ... so then they are different? The floating head always finds the metal and sets to the specified cut height and the THC maintains the cut height? For example I have the floating head on my torch mount ... wired to my BOB board and confiqured into my software ... also have the THC wired to the BOB board as well configured into the software. Therefore each time the cut stops and the torch moves it resets automaticlly ...goes down touches metal moves up to the cut height, fires and maintains height via THC ... am I missing something??

Gamble
03-04-2015, 07:57 AM
So basically you are converting the torchmate to something else? Changing the motors and all?
whats the cost on the accumove2?

dzljon
03-04-2015, 09:20 AM
Motors are staying the same but the driver software will be made by the company that originally built torchmate controls and a 4th 454 oz stepper will be added to the z axis. When said and done it will have everything that a $30k table has with smaller motors and cutting serface, my growth is not well beyond 4x4 if I want

dzljon
03-04-2015, 09:24 AM
The new software ware is an all in one, no more drawing in one program to import into another unless I want to design in my 3d cad, should be pretty nice

Gamble
03-04-2015, 09:36 AM
Interesting. I was told by candcnc.com to use anything else I needed to change the motors out.
can you pm me and tell me what company and costs are looking like. I may consider this.

dzljon
03-04-2015, 10:04 AM
I will reveal who the company is as I install the new stuff when it arrives

dzljon
03-04-2015, 01:58 PM
Torch holder v.3

dzljon
03-04-2015, 04:36 PM
New Lincoln electric company
This is most likely the builder of the new accumove2 systemhttp://www.burny.com/levitator.shtml

Gamble
03-04-2015, 07:53 PM
New Lincoln electric company
This is most likely the builder of the new accumove2 systemhttp://www.burny.com/levitator.shtml
No, Lincoln owns them

dzljon
03-04-2015, 08:10 PM
That is what I said, lincoln owns tm and burny kaliburn, and since they own a company that builds controls it would make sense that they are the maker of the new accumove2

dzljon
03-05-2015, 01:58 PM
Here is a look at some progress

dzljon
03-05-2015, 07:25 PM
A little more progress

JustinWC
03-06-2015, 08:21 AM
A little more progress

Nice looking torch mount. That is the one thing I need to get sorted out. Did you make that or buy it. If you bought it where did you get it from? What is the size of the hole?

JustinWC
03-06-2015, 08:49 AM
Gee, seems a couple of folks are not quite clear on the the THC, z axis, floating head thing. Let me see if I can clarify.

They are all the same thing...kind of. Actually they are the individual components of a system that maintains a constant distance from the torch tip to the piece of metal. The actual components include:
1. a motor
2. a z axis (aka floating head)
3. a controller of some sort, usually small pc board (aka THC) Look up Proma THC. It is simply the control board! You still need the z axis and motor.
4. and one secondary component - software, Mach3 etc.

The controller receives feedback from the torch tip, translates it to a distance, computes the correct distance based on the software input, sends a signal to the motor which turns the lead screw on the z-axis which adjusts the height of the torch

It could be argued the whole thing is THC i.e. Torch Height Control. However, Proma sells a THC, Torch Height Controller. It is simply the controller.
Remember, this is about the components vs. the whole mechanism.

As an aside you can also add a magnetic torch mount. This is a completely separate thing. In the event of a tip up and the torch impacts the part the torch will break away from the carriage. This prevents damage to your expensive machine. It does nothing else. It can be used with a THC system or on a non THC table.

dzljon
03-06-2015, 04:07 PM
Stand alone cnc computer bought used off eBay as a refurbishished unit for 165.00

blueriver
03-06-2015, 06:21 PM
They are one and the same, the floating head is what supports the motor and and gives an axis for the torch to move on





They are all the same thing...kind of. Actually they are the individual components of a system that maintains a constant distance from the torch tip to the piece of metal

In order to achieve floating head and THC you need to add that to that basic table ... wire them in accordingly to your system ,,, confiqure your system to use them.

dzljon
03-06-2015, 07:56 PM
Photo op, I think it looks pretty damn good:)

dzljon
03-07-2015, 08:31 AM
Nice looking torch mount. That is the one thing I need to get sorted out. Did you make that or buy it. If you bought it where did you get it from? What is the size of the hole?

I did buy this one on a recommendation from Pierre, it is mostly to get an idea what he is looking for in a z axis with my own little additions so I can make them in the future

dzljon
03-07-2015, 08:59 AM
All new hard/software will be in my joy little hands Monday stay tuned:)

JustinWC
03-09-2015, 10:44 AM
All new hard/software will be in my joy little hands Monday stay tuned:)

It's Monday!! Can't wait to see what next!

65falcon
03-09-2015, 11:19 AM
Me too.

Pierre

dzljon
03-09-2015, 01:21 PM
The brown truck still has possession of my goodies :/

dzljon
03-09-2015, 07:27 PM
Well my luck has been qutionable lately, my stuff is in mesquite TX as of early this morning but never got put on the truck for delivery today. This just sucks!

dzljon
03-10-2015, 05:36 AM
Looks like my equipment made it on the truck today, should have it in my hot little hands around 6 tonight

dzljon
03-10-2015, 04:10 PM
The origional torchmate control box is on too my new professional grade controls on bottom

65falcon
03-10-2015, 04:39 PM
Show us more....:bounce

dzljon
03-10-2015, 05:20 PM
Look at some progress:)

dzljon
03-10-2015, 06:57 PM
Couple more angles

dzljon
03-11-2015, 08:06 PM
Getting the stepper and ohmic sensing hooked up

Gamble
03-11-2015, 08:43 PM
Do you have to remove that clamp and bracket for the floating head every time you have to change the consumables?

dzljon
03-12-2015, 04:11 AM
Do you have to remove that clamp and bracket for the floating head every time you have to change the consumables?

Nope, it raises up high enuff to change eVery thing while on the machine

dzljon
03-15-2015, 03:21 PM
The ohmic sensing wire follows the plasma lead with yellow safety tape

dzljon
03-16-2015, 08:02 PM
Here are a couple different angles

dzljon
03-17-2015, 07:41 PM
Getting serious about measuring torch movement

Gadget
03-18-2015, 07:20 AM
Good idea on the dial gauge, I'll have to remember that if I ever get time to make a floating head for mine.

dzljon
03-24-2015, 07:43 PM
Got around to getting the gypertherm off the floor

dzljon
03-29-2015, 08:13 PM
Put together a small video of the new height control in action
TORCHMATE cooking: https://youtu.be/rWHxorwIFNA

Gadget
03-30-2015, 01:16 PM
Looks like your cut height is a bit high to me. Of course I'm no expert but I usually run mine around .065. The Z looks good though, nice work.

dzljon
03-30-2015, 02:21 PM
The pierce height is .150 as per the hypertherm specs and then lowered to .060

dzljon
04-29-2015, 09:40 AM
New decal for the shop

dzljon
05-19-2015, 08:30 PM
Decided to put some braided loom on the motor cable's, all 4 run through this one braid and did a good job of cleaning up the wire mess on the ground

dzljon
05-26-2015, 02:17 PM
Built a pedastal for my tubing notcher